Une expansion pour Victoria

[Emp_Palpatine]

Bon, je suis tout seul ici, mais je vous annonce la sortie en Aout d'une extension, seulement disponible en téléchargement pour 10€, de Victoria.
La période est étendue jusqu'à 1935, avec conversion possible à Doomsday.
Pas beaucoup plus de détails pour le moment.
Des infos ici (http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250170&page=1&pp=25)

[Chazam]

Ah ouais? ben ils font vachement confiance à leur dernier patch alors!


Ils ont résolu certains problèmes rédhibitoires comme l'émigration gérée comme de la *%# par l'IA? :?:

[comeon]

Cool on va pouvoir se faire chier 17 ans de plus. :chicos:
Nan sérieusement je pense que ça n'a strictement aucun intérêt cette extension parce que le système économique est à la base trop complexe, irréaliste et... chiant !
Je pense pas que 2 ou 3 modfis superficielles changent quoi que se soit maheureusement.

[Emp_Palpatine]

Ah ouais? ben ils font vachement confiance à leur dernier patch alors!


Ils ont résolu certains problèmes rédhibitoires comme l'émigration gérée comme de la *%# par l'IA? :?:
On dirait que l'IA ne transforme plus ses provinces en désert démographique...
Elle est aussi beaucoup plus active en terme d'échanges, les secteurs agricoles font maintenant du profit... Bref, c'est du bon ce patch.

[Emp_Palpatine]

Cool on va pouvoir se faire chier 17 ans de plus. :chicos:
Nan sérieusement je pense que ça n'a strictement aucun intérêt cette extension parce que le système économique est à la base trop complexe, irréaliste et... chiant !
Je pense pas que 2 ou 3 modfis superficielles changent quoi que se soit maheureusement.
On a peu de détails sur le système économique prévu par l'extension, mais apparement il dépendra du système politique du pays. Et ça, c'est réaliste.
Complexe, on ne peut pas dire le contraire par contre.

[Akmar Nibelung]

Je viens de voir l'annonce aussi ... ils manquent d'argent chez para ou quoi ? :lol:


Ils balancent à la pelle des add ons ... le prochain sera pour ck et hoi1 ? :lol:

[Chazam]

Cett info sur l'amélioration de la gestion des pops par l'IA est quand même une très bonne nouvelle.


Dommage que je n'aie pas le temps de jouer plus. :ouin: :yeux: :loose:

[Emp_Palpatine]

Je viens de voir l'annonce aussi ... ils manquent d'argent chez para ou quoi ? :lol:


Ils balancent à la pelle des add ons ... le prochain sera pour ck et hoi1 ? :lol:
Non, ils adoptent le politique des autres boites. Leurs jeux seront vendus en version de base, et 6 mois plus tard un ptit lifting.
Je suis sur que EU3 sera suivi d'un add-on consacré à la révoluion et à la période napoléonienne.

[Bubu]

Etrange il m'avait semblé que le jeu s'était assez mal vendu donc faire une expansion...:?:

Apparament on peut toujours convertir les POPs comme un petit Staline :yeux:

Je suis sur que EU3 sera suivi d'un add-on consacré à la révoluion et à la période napoléonienne.
Pas mal. C'est en effet plus crédible commercialement que la raison officiellement donnée pour la réduction par rapport à EU2.

[Dandy]

Je suis plutot content de cette annonce. J'aimais bien victoria malgré ses defaults économiques. Si jamais ceux ci sont comblés, on aura alors affaire à un très bon jeu. Attendons d'en savoir plus avant de le démonter. (Surtout que au moins, il ne sera pas en 3d comme les deux autres daubes !)

[yboompook]

Etrange il m'avait semblé que le jeu s'était assez mal vendu donc faire une expansion...:?:

Apparament on peut toujours convertir les POPs comme un petit Staline :yeux:


Pas mal. C'est en effet plus crédible commercialement que la raison officiellement donnée pour la réduction par rapport à EU2.ou alors ils ont prevu un vicky II avec cette periode ... voir carement un nouveau jeu entre EU et vicky ...

[Bubu]

ou alors ils ont prevu un vicky II avec cette periode ... voir carement un nouveau jeu entre EU et vicky ...
Bof 1820-1836 je connais pas des masses mais ça me semble pas terrible niveau rebondissements.

Par contre si ils pouvaient nous sortir un jeu focalisé sur la période entre EU3 et vicky :hallu:

[comeon]

Mais non il faut un jeu à la Eu3 mais sur l'Antiquité !
Imaginez les supers cartes : 40 provinces rien qu'en Grèce, un système commercial plus élaborée...
Et après ils nous implémentent le mode de combat 3D de Rome total War et c'est parfait :fete:

[Bubu]

Mais non il faut un jeu à la Eu3 mais sur l'Antiquité !
C'est mon deuxième choix :)

Imaginez les supers cartes : 40 provinces rien qu'en Grèce, un système commercial plus élaborée...
Et après ils nous implémentent le mode de combat 3D de Rome total War et c'est parfait :fete:

Je vois pas comment intégrer des combats 3D sans rompre le temps réel de la campagne. En plus vu EU3, Paradox et la 3D c'est pas encore trop ça :p:

Et puis RTW n'est pas un modèle de réalisme et de stratégie
Je préfèrerais de loin un système où l'on donne des consignes à ses généraux et ils se débrouillent en fonction de leurs compétences et de leur loyauté. Un peu comme les missions de HOI2 mais en moins basique.

[Emp_Palpatine]

Les améliorations de la colonisation, annoncées par Johan, sont très convaincantes!
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250950

[Dandy]

Apparament, les developpeurs ont rajouté de nouvelles provinces en Afrique, comme que chazam me l'a montré dans le forum eu3, je trouve ainsi que c'est une bonne chose. Esperons qu'il y en aura aussi sur les autres continents.

[Emp_Palpatine]

Il n'y a pas de nouvelles provinces si j'en crois le screen.

[Dandy]

En effet : "In addition we reduced the size of the huge colonial provinces down to no more than 4 provinces in the state. This has a couple of very nice effects. Firstly you see far fewer colonial dead locks. More Importantly you see Africa Divided amongst more countries."

Si j'interprète bien, cela veut dire que les régions ne compteront pas plus de quatres provinces et donc que la colonisation sera plus divisée mais aussi plus aisée puisque de grosses régions ne seront plus partagées indéfiniement entre des puissances qui ne peuvent pas trouver d'accord.

Merci Emp pour cette précision !

[ar sparfell]

Bon, je suis tout seul ici, mais je vous annonce la sortie en Aout d'une extension, seulement disponible en téléchargement pour 10€, de Victoria.
afire payer 10 euros pour rendre un jeu potable, laors qu'on a dépensé déjà pas mal, je trouve ça très limite :?: :enerve:


quand on fait un patch après avoir sorti un jeu loin d'être fini, la moindre des chose c'est de ne pas le faire payer .....

[Massassa]

Pour ma part, j'ai été scandalisé par l'état de la version originale du jeu, à sa sortie. :yeux: Par contre, qu'on essaie de l'améliorer plus tard, ça va dans le bon sens et je salue les efforts de paradox... :hello:

[Emp_Palpatine]

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Vicky Revolutions ne fait pas exception:


It’s the Economy Stupid
written by King

When we came to look at the economy we had four goals. These were to make the economic system more realistic, to make the economic policy of your government more relevant, make the game more fun to play and to see if we could shut off some of the exploits in the current system.

From the initial screen shots most of you probably spotted that it is now not always possible to build a factory, so let’s start by telling you all what has replaced it. The system now works around Capitalists, they accumulate money and then (depending on the economic policy) they’ll build factories and railways. The up shot of this is two things. Firstly if you promote a large amount of Capitalists, what will happen is that none of them will accumulate enough money to build anything and your industrial growth will stall. Secondly tariffs are no longer free money. The higher your tariffs are the less money your Capitalists will accumulate each day, therefore it will take them longer to build factories and railways with. Thus the slower your industrial growth will be (now before you go up in arms about this and point out how many countries industrialised behind a high tariff wall, you’ll see a bit later why this is still true).

Now let’s look at the effects of economic policy on Capitalists. If you are Planned Economy your Capitalists will never build anything. On each other policy your Capitalists will build railways and Factories. As you move from State Capitalism, through Interventionism to Laissez-Faire your Capitalists require steadily less money to build something, thus build quicker. Also if you are Laissez-Faire you cannot build any economic improvements. Under Interventionism you can expand factories and build railways. Under the other two economic policies you have full control. The economic policy of your government can really swing how you’ll play the game. Elections can make a huge difference to your game plan.

As a consequence of this, Laissez-Faire together with Free Trade can lead to some pretty impressive industrial development. In fact if you have some spare cash and want use import subsidies, your Capitalists can really start building. Under Interventionism the dreaded monopoly structure suddenly becomes very tempting (I prefer it myself).

Now back to the tariff question, low tariffs are not always useful. Remember Capitalists earn money from the export of goods, if you have a low industrial base your Capitalists will accumulate money very slowly. Comparing Austria and Prussia is a very good example of this fact in action. Looking at the two countries at the start of the 1836 scenario, Prussian Capitalists will build much more than Austrian Capitalists over any set period (if both countries have the same economic policy). For Austria it could actually be better to go for State Capitalism, use high tariffs to finance the building a few factories yourself, before letting your capitalists take over. Otherwise Prussia is going to own you on the economic front.

So now for the 64 thousand dollar question, what do capitalist build? We spent a lot of time thinking about this, and coming up with a system that works. Capitalists will build virtually any factory that your tech allows them to. However they prefer to build consumer goods factories, (i.e. factories that produce products that your pops will buy). Here is an example of what they build:

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/media/victoria/2006jun19.jpg

Despite being interventionist for most of the game I have not done anything to the factories in Westphalia. So this gives you a flavour of what Capitalists like to build.

Now I know what you are thinking, what happens if I want to build a huge industrial base, to conquer the world with. Well if you to avoid things like the British shell crisis of 1915 your going to have to intervene in your economy.

One thing worth mentioning, if you don’t like the factory you’re Capitalists are building, well delete it and sooner or later they’ll build another. It’s not like it’s costing you any money.

[Emp_Palpatine]

Un nouvel update, même si apparement je suis le seul guignol que ca intéresse. Sur le papier, ca se bonifie toujours autant!!


Revolutions - Feature #3 - Politics
Politics is the art of the possible.
Written by King


We had two goals with the political system to make monarchies more powerful in the beginning and to make politics in general more relevant to the player. Rather than election being something that just happens we wanted to make it an important event, and make the banning and choosing of parties a real option that a player would consider. However rather than going for a massive overhaul we decided to do a series of small improvements. When taken together though we feel that this achieves the goals we set ourselves.

Now for those of you who follow our weekly sneak preview will know that the economic policy of the government has some major impact on the game. As a little spoiler I’ll mention that military policy has some minor effects too. However in order to keep some suspense and mystery about the game I’ll not discuss that at the moment.

The first change was to add a new ideology, fascism. It covers various right wing ultra nationalist groups; it becomes active in 1905 and is the favourite ideology of soldiers and officers. However if you are suffering from revanchism or high militancy then more pops tend towards fascism. So nice stable countries tend to not go fascist, angry and bitter ones do.


http://www.paradoxplaza.com/media/victoria/2006jun26a.jpg

So here is my Germany in 1905. As you can see I’ve got all my cores and my people are happy. The Fascists are a very small party, and should stay that way unless I do something stupid.

We’ve also made sure that each country always has one party from each ideology from the year the ideology becomes active. This prevents rather interesting things like a liberal revolution in Japan putting the conservatives in power. In addition if a country allows parties then we’ve tweaked the set up in the Grand Campaign so you’ll have a choice of parties. This gives those countries that start as a monarchy a real advantage, you’ve got the power to steer your government in whatever direction you choose.

Now we’ve also made one slightly ahistorical change to the starting party set ups. Each Country will have at least one state capitalist party, usually the reactionary one. Still for those of you who like to control the economy totally, the option is there. All you have to do is pay the price.

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/media/victoria/2006jun26b.jpg

So here is Austria at the start of the GC, as you can see you have a nice choice of parties there that allow you to set your own destiny. You’ll also notice those little icons below the ideology of the party. These tell you if your party is a major party, a third party or a party that only takes votes from a certain culture. With the importance of voting in the game we felt that this was a very useful addition to help you judge the chances of victory for your favourite party.

Another change we have done is how democracies function. If you have low plurality then your people don’t understand how democracy works and will get upset if their party did not win the election. This again makes monarchy a more useful form of government early in the game.

Now we’ve also made a few changes to pop promotion, you can no longer automatically promote and demote every pop as right, for certain pops it depends on the policy of the government. The biggest change is that if you do not have full citizenship then you cannot promote non state cultured pops. Having a pacifist government, will severly restrict your military capabilities.

No doubt there are a few other changes I have forgotten to mention, but this gives you a run down of the major changes.

[Emp_Palpatine]

Et encore un update!


Revolutions - Feature #5 - Military & Technology
War! that mad game the world so loves to play
written by King

For this weeks update we’re going to give you a little bit more information about the changes we’ve made to the military system. We’re also going to talk a little bit about the nice new technologies you can find in revolutions. First let’s start with the military. From the other updates we’ve done you’re probably aware that we have made several changes to the military system. So let’s go into a bit more detail about these before we move on to some new features.

Firstly the rules on POP promotion, as has already been mentioned you cannot promote POPs form non state cultures unless you have a full citizenship party and you cannot promote POPs in colonies at all. In tandem with the change we’ve made a few other changes to make this truly effective. Firstly when you annex a province the soldier POPs do not automatically convert to Farmers/Labourers. This means that as you expand your colonial empire your pool of colonial manpower expands with it. Then if you factor in population growth by the end of the game you can have a reasonable amount of colonial manpower. We’ve also scattered more soldiers across Africa. Again a reasonable sized colonial empire will initially yield a few divisions for defence; then with population growth you can get a not bad little army out of it.

Next let’s talk about the Mobilisation pool. Currently you can have 0 divisions of a standing army and have 200 divisions ready to be mobilised when war broke out, well no longer. Now the size of the mobilisation pool is tied to the size of your army. We did this in part to close the little loophole I described above, but also because in the Victoria Era the majority of the great powers operated a system were soldiers were drafted into the regular army for a few years and then served several years in the reserves, the link between the mobilisation pool and size of the army reflects this. We also added in the size of mobilisation pool being tied to your military policy, the more militaristic you are the longer you can keep your troops serving as reserves and thus the larger your mobilisation pool can be.

Moving along on the military front we’ve added a whole new level of military technology, 5 army and 5 navy, reflecting the inter war period. New ships have been added such as carriers, battle cruisers and more models of battleships have been added, to make the late game Navy more flexible and powerful. On the land front, as some of you may have already guessed, we’ve added aircraft, but we’ve also added inventions to improve your army across the board. Making the late game army more mobile and harder hitting. Here is a screen shot from the last day of the game showing you the chance to build nice new ships

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/media/victoria/2006jul10a.jpg

Now onto technology we’ve also added technology to all the other areas as well. In the field of culture we’ve added new inventions, which start to push your pops toward extreme ideologies, (not so much that everyone goes extreme by the end of the game, just enough to help those that are heading that way anyway). We’ve also added a series of random event tied to these political inventions. These help late game dictatorships stay dictatorships. No longer do you have to worry about the rising militancy of your pops, a propaganda triumph or a party rally can be just the thing you need to bring the masses over to your side. Just to illustrate here is Austria from the same game, notice that the useful political events have helped lower Austria’s plurality making its people more willing to enjoy the joys of an absolute monarchy.

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/media/victoria/2006jul10b.jpg

The industrial commerce technologies also add something to the late game. New factories, including radios and synthetic oil, increased productivity as modern management techniques come into play and an additional level of railway to help your factories along. Although personally I like that your government ideology also influences your late game economic development. Communist states get five year plans that allow cheaper factories, socialists get cheaper social reforms, liberal governments get reduced loan repayments etc.. Giving each ideology its own unique stamp on the late game.

Things are coming along quite nicely for revolutions, I hope you’re all looking forward to it.

[Massassa]

Vu sur le forum paradox:

Un patch est sorti pour Victoria revolutions. En voici les modifs (traduit de l'anglais)

- correction d'un bug de freeze dans le convertisseur vers HOI
- Perfectionnement de la logique de construction des capitalistes
- Amélioration de la façon dont l'IA gère les capitalistes
- Correction du bug de "full citizenship" (pleine citoyenneté) pour promouvoir les soldats
- réduction de l'augmentation du militantisme des POP dont le parti ne gagne pas les élections en démocratie
- Les pays se révolteront moins après 1920
- Correction d'une anomalie liée à un prérequis technique (... )
- Correction d'erreurs dans quelques évènements
- Ajout de textes manquant et correction d'autres (genre Factroies )

La mise est jour est disponible via Gamersgate

**** :enerve: ....

Y'a des claques qui se perdent... un patch pour le patch payant, déjà... :yeux:

[Dandy]

A quand le béta patch pour corriger ce dernier patch ? :mrgreen:

[Chazam]

Bah en même temps, pour acquérir ce patch/extension, on est obligé de passer par internet, alors autant qu'ils finiseent bien le boulot. Télécharger un patch supplémentaire, avec Paradox, on a l'habitude, et comme ça améliore le jeu... :loose: :lol: